why not allow cpl holders to carry i would and have been around a lot of folks who carry and it did not worry me it seems like some just have a phobia about guns even when there is no cause for it cpl holders have proven to be very safe and responsible irrational fear should never be a basis for trying to deny others the right to defend themseves

Anyone who honestly places themselves in a scenario such as Virginia Tech, with their family members being present, could not look me in the eye and say that they would prefer to be in that lecture hall with unarmed people over armed people. Think of those with CPLs as similar to volunteer law enforcement. Many of those who pass the criteria necessary for obtaining a CPL have cleaner records of conduct than those in respectable positions, including law enforcement. People taking the view that law abiding citizens with guns are just as dangerous as criminals with guns have a flawed view of society and world as a whole. The people that truly concern me are those here who somehow feel that just by being able to carry a gun, a person somehow inherits a criminal mind with it, and immediately seeks to harm others.

School is supposed to be a safe place to learn, not pack heat. I am not in support of taking away persons second amendment rights; however, I am against guns on campus. Why, why would you need to carry a gun on campus? Is it just becuase you can and you're a "redblooded American"? There have been several campus shootings around the nation in past year, who is to say it could not happen here. Could it happen no matter what, yes, but this would for sure up the chance. I would think our law makers would have better things to concentrate on...maybe the school budgets? Guns on campus, less kids in class, less money needed to support universities.

I think that it is irrational and bogus that every time something about concealed carry or guns are brought up there are people out there talking about responsibility and drinking. Not every gun owner is a hillbilly watching NASCAR shooting there shotgun in the air because there favorite driver won. Guns are our right and it is in the constitution I think it is just plain ridiculous to say that college students are not mature enough, sure most do spend there time partying but myself, as a current college student do not. I don’t think legalizing concealed carry on campuses would mean drunk kids showing up to class shooting people because they can carry. Things such as Columbine and VT would happen regardless if concealed carry was aloud or not, it is something we cannot prevent, but in the case someone did have a gun it could greatly reduce the chances of lives being taken, not saying it is the safest way but it is just something that could help, I think it is a great idea not only as a responsible gun owner but as an American. That is why most accidents happen because people are uniformed on guns how they work and there dangers, guns don’t just hop up out of the cabinet and go on shootings, If people were more knowledgeable there would be less accidents,

I personally am an advocate for legally carrying a weapon. Any of us who have a CPL know the strict criteria required, to obtain a CPL. Tragedies at Virgina Tech, Columbine, etc. occurred because these crazy people sought out locations like this knowing their is a "no gun" policy for their potential victims. Law abiding citizens aren't the ones who typically carry out these horrible acts of violence.

The story says that this bill would allow people to carry guns on campus, but, you can already carry guns on campus. The only places you can't carry concealed on campus are classrooms and dorms.

You still can legally carry in classrooms and dorms, provided that you have your Concealed Pistol License, AND you carry your handgun so it is NOT concealed.

Of course, if your a student, you'd probably get kicked out of school for doing that, but as far as law is concerned, it is legal.

What this proposed law attempts to do, is allow those who have their Concealed Pistol License to carry concealed in classrooms and dorms, rather than carry in the open.

I'm in favor of the proposed law, but believe that they should get rid of all the "gun free zones" (except courthouse, jail, prison), and eventually get rid of the need for government permission to carry a gun.

I am not an anti-gun person but.... there is a time and a place for them and the campus/classroom is not one of them. They are meant for in the woods hunting/or the way things are going; at home for personal protection. Your in college to learn not to pack a pistol or what ever. They also do stange/harmful things to join a phrat

Why are some posters steering their remarks towards NMU specifically? The article states that there is a Senate Committee looking into the issue. That would make this a law, and NMU would have to follow that law if the standards were relaxed. Don't worry anti-gun nuts. There will always be someone else around to save you;-)

No matter which side of the issue you agree or disagree with, there is one thing that will never EVER change any time soon.

The bad guys will always have guns, laws or no laws.

Dear "No",

Most would agree that the absence of malicious use of firearms (or other weapons) on other persons (including our person) is preferred. And by my reading, you and I too agree on this premise and more we specifically both feel that recent national instances of aforementioned malice right on college campuses is not our liking...and if put to vote we would both register a resounding "no". (Fortunate we are that our US legal system affirms this outcome for us as well.)

It isn't therefore clear exactly when our common thread starts to unravel, but as to "why it unravels" I will venture to say has something to do with where you somehow feel comfortable that simple reiteration of stated requests, e.g. "ATTN students...don't bring weapons on campus", is sufficient to otherwise deter those malformed individuals intent on rending their brand of "justice" upon unwilling (and unsuspecting) peers, classmates, students, children, humans.

I suppose some might call me cynical...(or practical :)) but I cannot comfort in automatically granting trust to unstable individuals....case in point, we both have (in the national news) read countless accounts of students who, despite mandates to the contrary from the very campuses where they chose to impose themselves on (not one but many) of their fellow man in a most malicious, (and therefore un-agreeable to you and I and likely to the victims too) way with the very firearms that are "illegal" to have on said campus.

I would invite you to consider a slightly different scenario, with a potentially different outcome... think back to some of these incidents as they have occurred...if you remember, in many of them, the number of innocent lives taken grew as the minutes ticked by....it takes time, after all, for students/teachers/staff to figure out what the hell is happening, to place calls to authority...and for authority to respond...including assessing the situation and securing it before "acting"....in these real life instances.... additional minutes have been paid for by loss of additional lives... and finally, think back to most of the outcomes... in many cases the disturbed offender ended up killing himself BEFORE law enforcement was able to actually affect an outcome.

Hard Stop.

What if however, universities recognized that individuals bent on taking human life were not concerned with and would not adhere to "campus policy" for guns.... and what if they agreed that law abiding citizens, specifically those with legally held concealed weapons permits, were permitted to carry in the same manner that they do elsewhere on public property......... imagine now a replaying of the events in those classrooms. I postulate to you two events might occur. 1) disturbed individuals would stop looking at classrooms full of students as helpless targets as they would recognize that some of those "targets" might quickly return fire.... 2)law abiding students/staff/teachers with legally obtained permits, now sanctioned by the university to carry weapons for lawful use, when in proximity to such a hostile environment could, and daresay WOULD quickly respond in kind with deadly return fire...saving minutes..and more importantly saving lives.

That said, I ask you...would you rather sit in a classroom environment where you KNOW that NO law-abiding citizen within 1/2 mile has an ability to circumvent a firearm based attack on innocent humans... or would you rather be part of a classroom where you (and/or other law-abiding gentlefolk) are legally carrying something that (heaven forbid) could be utilized to bring a hostile, life-threatening situation to a more abrupt conclusion (likely saving the life's of a number fellow humans)?

In summary, it is head in the ground thinking to suggest that we can simply say "no guns allowed" and be then surrounded by a beam of safety. We might as well be more specific and say "no mass killings" allowed on this campus... the guys doing these killings will honor either request in the same manner...and you and I may live to read about it someday.

CPL, concealed pistol license, holders in Michigan and many other states are some of the most law abiding citizens in the country. We take our social responsibility to be armed serious and we train and practice with our firearms for the unthinkable. Gun free zones do not keep criminals or the mentally impaired out with their guns. Guns are used each and every day by CPL holders, police, and open carriers to protect themselves and others, more so then they are used to commit crimes.

As of late college campuses nationwide have become a target for the crazed. Allow properly trained and licensed students to protect themselves like all other Michigan residents can.

This argument is pretty typical of all gun/anti-gun arguments. Anti-gun folks can still be fearful of guns, we pro-gun folks don't mind. Just let us carry our personal protection in peace and we will move on. When a mugger comes to rob you of your purse or wallet or bingo winnings, just scream out; "Any CPL holders around to defend me?" and we will come running, because we care about ourselves, our family, and even our anti-gun neighbors as well.

That I want to jab my eyes out with a pencil.

Yes we have the right to bear arms. I personally am all for it. As it stands now you cant carry the weapons in places now as the rules for the permits state. Why should NMU be any different? The next thing for the students will be to get the permit because it is cool. Do you remember some of the things people did and still do in collage? Lets see alcohol and heaven knows what else in the parties and you believe they should be able to posses handguns on campus? To me it would be like throwing gas on the fire. I love my firearms and would never give them up, however having firearms on campus is no different then bringing them into a high school. I think NMU would be very foolish to even consider it. The rules for concealed carry are very specific on where you can and cannot carry, NMU would be wise to drop the idea of weapons on campus. That's just my opinion feel free to start the flaming.

Why should my constitutional rights be taken away if I step on NMU's campus or any other campus in this country? Are the campus' considered foreign soil or what? Why do people insist on making a campus a Criminal Free Zone where only criminals can carry guns? Guns are used by people for self defense every day in most parts of most states. There's only a few places where criminals have free rein to shoot someone knowing that no one will shoot back. People should not be afraid of an honest man with a gun--they should be afraid of the criminal with the gun. Especially in places where honest people can't legally carry.

I am 28 and returning to NMU several years after receiving my BS. If I am reading this right, I DO NOT want weapons on campus. There has been too much in the media about schools elsewhere having shootings. I would consider withdrawl from NMU if they let concealed weapons move forward.