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Bishop Sample of the Diocese of Marquette is joining other bishops across the nation who have denounced Notre Dame's invitation.

Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 11:18 a.m.

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MARQUETTE -- The Catholic Church in the U.P. is reacting to the University of Notre Dame’s decision to have President Obama make the commencement speech this spring.

Bishop Alexander Sample of the Diocese of Marquette is joining other bishops from across the nation who have denounced the university’s invitation.  Many members of the Catholic Church are disappointed at the school’s decision because of Obama’s support for abortion rights and embryonic stem-cell research.

More than a dozen other bishops have publicly opposed the invitation as of late last week, calling the school’s decision an “extreme embarrassment.”

In a press release Tuesday, Sample states, “It is unconscionable to me that a Catholic university would bestow such an honor upon an individual who is so completely out of step with the Catholic Church’s teaching on the need to protect innocent human life in its most vulnerable forms, even if that individual holds the highest office in the land.”

Notre Dame has a tradition of inviting new presidents to speak.

Read Bishop Sample’s full statement below:

I would like to add my voice to that of many U.S. bishops who have expressed their disappointment and dismay over the University of Notre Dame’s decision to invite President Obama to be the commencement speaker at this year’s graduation ceremonies and to receive an honorary degree from the university.

President Obama has made it clear in his campaign rhetoric and in actions he has taken since becoming president that he intends to promote and expand the destruction of innocent human life.  His reversal of the so-called “Mexico City Policy,” his approval of federal funding for destructive embryonic stem cell research, and his pledge to sign into law a resurrected Freedom of Choice Act, should it come to his desk, are all evidence of this.

Given these facts, it is unconscionable to me that a Catholic university would bestow such an honor upon an individual who is so completely out of step with the Catholic Church’s teaching on the need to protect innocent human life in its most vulnerable forms, even if that individual holds the highest office in the land.

Because this has the potential to cause grave scandal to the faithful and weaken our united Catholic efforts in defense of life, I have taken the step of writing to the president of the university, Fr. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., expressing my concerns and requesting the invitation be withdrawn.

In the mystery of the Incarnation, the Eternal Son of God was conceived in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit.  Holy Mary nurtured that fragile life within her, giving the world its Savior.  It saddens me beyond words that the great university named after Our Lady would bestow distinction and honor on a politician who would seek to expand threats to such innocent human life.

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I'm a new Catholic

Posted by New Catholic, Marquette - Saturday, April 11, 2009 at 11:56 a.m.

I'm new to the Catholic faith. I don't have much of an opinion on a lot of issues in the Catholic Church as of yet, but I am learning about God and what God tells me to believe in. I have an opinion on this issue, because it is why Jesus died for all of us, including all non-believers.

For a President to give the Commencement speech at Notre Dame is not the issue. A President who is abortion and stem cell research friendly IS the issue.

All I know is that we were taught in catechism class that life begins at conception. There is no debate on this belief in the Catholic Church. This is what EVERY Catholic HAS to believe, in order to be living their life in faith and trust and love in Jesus Christ as our savior.

Notre Dame is a Catholic school, and is held to the highest level of of Catholisism as can be. For a school of this prominence to invite Mr. Obama and his beliefs, to use his power of authority to in any way influence the students of this Holy and Catholic instution, is nothing short of blasphemy.

God Bless.

Funny isn't it?

Posted by AB INRI, Upper Peninsula - Saturday, April 11, 2009 at 1:30 a.m.

President Obama just said recently in Turkey during his apology tour-"We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation".

He also said this during a June 2007 speech..."Whatever we once were, we're no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers"

You know, as much as we Catholics and Christians don't like it, he is right. The media reports on atheists being offended by Christmas and Easter, In God we trust, etc. We have become a secular nation. The far left is threatened by Christianity. It is the Christians that are put down all the time and we're not supposed to say anything about it. You say one disparaging word against the Muslim or Islam faith and there is a major upheaval. It's rather interesting that Catholics don't bash other religions or sects of Christianity, however, non-Catholic Christians love to bash Catholics. Why is this? The Baptists think they're right, the Lutherans think they're right, the Methodists think they're right, etc. But one thing they all have in common is agreeing that the Catholics are wrong. Aren't we all Christians? Aren't we all playing for the same team? Don't we all as Christians believe the Bible is the true living word of God? Doesn't the Bible say Thou shalt not kill?

We all are sinners. Everyone, clergy or not. No one is perfect. There was only one person who was perfect and he was crucified on Good Friday. Funny how so many here had said about sinning and throwing stones and judging, yet you are the ones ALSO sinning, throwing stones and judging. Does that make you right?

The Catholic faith has a set of values and beliefs. Having someone give a commencement speech who does not share these views, values and beliefs does not make sense. Would it be right to have the leader of the KKK give the commencement speech at Temple University?

One last tidbit, you might remember Obama saying this..."And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," Obama said.

Why doesn't Mr. Obama say anything about the Muslims who cling to their guns and religion and believe everything he said in his speech?

How about this thought!!!

Posted by An Opinion, Da UP - Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 3:30 p.m.

Why don't we see bishop sample complaining about some of the things taught at this "catholic college"???
Has the teaching of evolution been removed from the biology classes??? Are their openly athiest professors their???(I know when I went to college I had several that were). Does this college produce doctors, that are taught how to perform abortions??? Stem cell researchers??? Theology teachers of buddism/islam/hinduism/ect.ect.ect. Astronomical physicist teachings on things like String Theory / grand unified theory / ect.ect.ect.
I am sure their are many other professions taught here that are looked down upon by bishop sample!!!!
So the question is why now, why this, who told him to, whats the agenda, how much does he hate obama the man because they have different views on life???
And as for abortion, I read a good article on popular science (online magazine. just search it and explore) awhile back. Educated view on when a scientist considers life as life. summary of it is = during the first 2 weeks after fertilization all the "embryo", or whatever you wanna call it, is cells that can/will become life. Once this 2 weeks is met, is when the pile of cells actually starts beoming a human. Some countries, use this 2 week threshold to determine if the cells can be used for research and others use it to determine if they even will do an abortion on said person.

Brigette P. in Detroit

Posted by Kris K., Chassell - Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 1:31 p.m.

I am sorry, but I have tried twice to read your post, and it made absolutely no sense. What exactly was your point? Quit hollering and try speaking your point clearly, please.

ha

Posted by Mark Ett, Marquette - Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 1:08 p.m.

your argument seems a little (read a whole freakin lot) tired and one sided. duh...that's the point of a debate.

your post made no sense. please stop yelling at us. you know all caps means you're yelling. settle down and open up your mind. you'll be a lot happier.

CANNOT believe some of these ignorant "facts" throughout the thread...

Posted by Brigette P., Detroit - Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 1:00 p.m.

Of COURSE Obama is PRO-ABORTION and PRO-DEATH. There is no getting around this. He states this himself to Planned Parenthood when he assures them of his promises for unrestricted wanton abortion WORLDWIDE.
He SHOULD NOT REPRESENT ANYONE AT A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION!! He is simply promoting EVIL. Evil is evil and needs to be called out. Embryonic stem cell research has NEVER worked either and WON'T...tissue, too "new" from these babies has proven to be unpredictable and CAUSED an alarming and immediate degeneration of brain cells on early Alzheimers patients. They simply went MAD. Adult Stem Cells are controllable and research shows it is promising. Those that would like you to believe otherwise have slipped this in as ANOTHER tired excuse to ABORT.
I mean, you guys and your attacks here are tiresome and one-sided! There are JUST wars where a Catholic can be a soldier and proudly defend freedom and his fellow citizens. Your misconceptions about the Queen's Spanish Inquisition and any mistakes HER soldiers made cannot be laid on the Catholic Church. She was a Catholic defending the faith in her own country using the means at her disposal at the time. YES........YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY has every right to live the FAITH PUBLICLY!!!! The Church has been a consistent voice of reason down through the CENTURIES. NO Christian Church dates back to the time of Christ except ONE. The one Christ founded when he gave the keys to Peter. These bishops here accused by you.......NOT ONE OF THESE BISHOPS had anything to do with the cover-up of any pedophile priests. You are talking about 25 years ago.....and these of themselves are NOT THE ACTIONS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH..but only individuals in IT..you are talking about the ERRONEOUS judgments of bishops back then listening to YOUR (thats right, YOUR secular psychiatrists advising them that the counseling COULD work for them...bogus of course!) We Catholics recognize the BEHAVIORS of those individual priests and a couple of bishops to be heinously SINFUL. We are glad that they are exposed and removed. Too bad you don't realize that of those 1% of Catholic priests that were removed for this behavior.....overwhelmingly MOST of them had a HOMOSEXUAL problem.....not a pedophile problem....the first just manifesting because of the convenience of hiding in the Catholic Church and having an easy target. 44,000 priests in this country are faithful to their vows!!! What of them? Where is your praise?? The Church has a divinely instituted responsibility to guide us to heaven. They need to have a voice in the public square. Your bishop is heroic. I'm so proud of that one. Too bad you aren't. I'll say a prayer to Our Lord thanking him for the plan to bring him to you...The Holy Spirit knows what he's doing!! Sounds like a few of you Catholics need a wonderful archbishop like this. He sounds like the perfect shepherd you need at this very moment in history to guide you to the arms of Christ. Listen to HIM! LEARN YOUR FAITH!!!!!!!!! You that have commented in error and who ARE fallen away Catholics, ignorant Catholics, or just cowardly Catholics will be in my prayers tomorrow on Good Friday at that Hour Of Mercy when Our Lord gave up his spirit and breathed his last. Will you be there praying then?

Why

Posted by Confused Catholic, Marquette - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:59 p.m.

Why does the Catholic church want that the government keep its nose out of religion, yet it consistently puts its own nose in government? Why does the church not wish us to hear speakers, view movies or TV shows or read books, magazines or newspapers whose views differ from those of the church? Did God not give us hearts, minds and souls with which we can differentiate what is good and what is bad? Or do we need the bishop to tell us exclusively what is good and what is not? Obviously there is difference of opinion in the Catholic community over Obama speaking at Notre Dame. But the last time I checked, Notre Dame is a Catholic University. These bishops telling Notre Dame not to allow the President to speak are the same bishops who were complicit in the child molestation scandal, moving priests from parish to parish as the rumors grew, then covering up the deeds they had done for years and years. This makes those who knew of the misdeeds, from other priests, to the bishops, cardinals and even popes just as guilty of sin and those who committed the acts. If this is the kind of judgement the church leaders show, they have no right to tell us who should and shouldn't speak.

Free Will and Catholic Sinners

Posted by Rich Joseph, Syracuse, NY - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:09 p.m.

The comment below posted by “God’s Way” under the title “What would he do?” attempts to summarize the abortion debate with some pithy bumper sticker theology by remarking that “God allows us to choose to follow Him or not” which makes him “pro-choice.” Yes, God has provided us with a free will and we do get to choose our actions. But he also provided us with a set of fundamental standards in which to live by, one of which is to honor and respect the sanctity of life. Even pro-abortion philosophers will admit that an unborn child is a human being. (For example see Tooley, Warren, Rachels or Mollenkott) The question is whether or not this class of innocent human beings can be arbitrarily killed. 2,000 years of Judeo Christian tradition, backed up by solid philosophical reasoning says no. Hence, God allows us to “choose” our decisions; however, they can be the wrong decisions.

There is another posting by “citizen u” under the title “tit for tat” which consists of a series of ad hominem attacks against a generalized Catholic straw man. Space does not allow for a reply to all the comments, but let’s review one. It states, “I can't believe how many Catholics there are who take birth control, estrogen, use condoms…”. An activity is not morally correct just because a large numbers of Catholics engage in it. Many Catholics commit adultery; however, this is not an argument for the repeal of the Sixth Commandment. All individual Catholics, priests and bishops included, are sinners. This is irrelevant to the issue about the morality of abortion.

Bill O'rielly summed it up the best.

Posted by fallen catholic not a fallen christian, Michigan - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.

It is Rediculous that the Catholic Bishops are taking such a stand. Barack Obama is President of the United States of America, and just by the office, the bishops need to show some respect. If you do not like his views on stem cell research, or on abortion, which I dare to say you have blatenly reported wrong to your followers, as Barack Obama although Pro Choice is not Pro Abortion, and I think if the Bishop opened his eyes he would see more than 75% of his congregation agrees with that, I will even bet, 75% of his flock have had either vasectomies, or are on the pill another no no of the Male dominated religion. Perhaps the Bishop would have seen things differently if he had massive child support bills to pay for his wandering teachers, oh yes thats right, they have a thing for same sex, not opposite. This is America, protest outside, civil and peaceful. Perhaps Bishop Sample should put some of his effort into living like Jesus did. Wasn't it Jesus who said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Who is Going to Hell?

Posted by Mark K., Marquette - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 7:12 p.m.

I am in agreement with Bishop Sample and his stance concerning the commencement address. Bishop Sample made some good points and I strongly support his views. After all, the Catholic Church is concerned about people getting into heaven. Those who support abortion consequently send themselves to hell. The Catholic church doesn't send ANYONE to hell, nor do they judge people. We simply follow the precepts of our Lord Jesus Christ and that is why we choose life above all else.

I'm a grown embryo

Posted by Ike Melson, Birmingham - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 6:34 p.m.

FYI - I am a grown-up embryo...and so is anyone reading this. Obama has already facilitated the destruction of human life in the embryotic and fetal stages of development. No institution should honor him. What if someone who ran concentration camps and killed the Jews were honored during a commencement? Would it make sence to honor him? (especially if he was still doing it!!)

tit for tat

Posted by citizen u, ishpeming - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 3:44 p.m.

I noticed something on the net that dioceses were asking the federal government for money for their private catholic schools, this was to come from bail outs monies. Catholic schools are closing left and right in this country, and they can take a stand and have their view points. After all everyone is entitled to that. But here you go with standards. This church says one thing, and totally contradicts themselves the next. This church takes a stance about life from beginning to end, and yet don't they have catholics in the military who are killing others in time of war? Or is this diferent because the circumstances are different? I can't believe how many catholics there are who take birth control, estrogen, use condoms. There are a lot of Catholics who sit on juries and sentence people to death.
One post said that Bishops asked President Obama to a dinner before he was elected. So today it's different that this man speak to a bunch of graduating young college students?
I see a lot of Catholics divorced. and this is totally against God's will; this is an abomination according to the Old testament. But for intelligent people we know that most of the bible isn't to be taken literally. But let people be where they are.

Seriously?

Posted by Mary R, marquette - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 1:20 p.m.

I don't understand why people cannot comprehend why Bishops are making statements regarding this. If Father Andras Kun was the commencement speaker at Yeshiva then people would have no problem understanding why people are upset. However, Catholic's are not allowed to be upset that someone who doesn't support our key values is the commencement speaker. This isn't about politics and it has nothing to do with separation of church and state- Notre Dame is a private university.


And the comment about increasing church attendance is completely ridiculous. You cannot compromise your values just to get another person in the door, and I wouldn't want to attend a church that felt it had to change it's core beliefs to match those of the popular opinion.

Fetal Brain Development

Posted by Chris N, Marquette - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:16 a.m.

Consciousness, or the ability to feel, occurs in the 24th week (google) of the fetus. Per guttmacher.org (Supreme Court 1973), abortions in the U.S. are not allowed after the 24th week (but for 4 states to save the life or health of the mother as determined by the physician). At that point, I would hope the procedure to include beforehand anesthesizing the fetus. Most states do not perform abortions beyond 20 weeks or "viability," that is, the point at which a fetus could survive to term.

Furthermore, the law that President Obama signed permits use of stem cells from embryos -- the first 8 weeks from conception -- not fetuses, hence embryonic stem cells. With this, the President has struck the best possible balance between faith and reason for the sanctity of life.

Choose Life

Posted by Pro Life Catholic, Bessemer - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 9:49 a.m.

Thank you Bishop Sample for joining the other bishops who have denounced Notre Dame's invitation. As a member of your flock, I thank God that we have sheperds who will lead us according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Life is precious at all stages.
God Bless you and Happy Easter.

What would He do?

Posted by God's Way, Michigan - Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 9:07 a.m.

Because someone is Pro-Choice does not mean they are Pro-Abortion. It just means that they believe in allowing other people to make their own choice.

Keep in mind that our God allows us to choose to follow Him or not. He never forces His laws on anyone, though He certainly has that ability. I guess that makes God Pro-Choice.

A Logical Reaction by Catholic Bishops

Posted by Rich Joseph, Syracuse, NY - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 11:21 p.m.

President Obama is expressly and vocally pro-abortion. It would be illogical for the Roman Catholic Bishops to NOT criticize Notre Dame for their invitation. If a fundamental core belief of the Church is that life is to be respected and protected at all stages, then abortion is a serious moral transgression. The Bishops, as authoritative leaders (not authoritarian - big difference) are obliged to provide the appropriate leadership on such an important matter. Publicly disagreeing with Notre Dame is well within their authority, and indeed, is their responsibility.
A couple of other quick points:
1) The issue of priestly sexual transgressions is irrelevant. Misbehavior by individual priests is obviously wrong but is not germane to this issue. The teaching authority of the Church transcends the weaknesses of specific priests who violated their vows, trampled Catholic doctrines and committed these sins.
2) If the Roman Catholic Church's stance on abortion is perceived to be unpopular, then so be it. This is a fundamental issue regarding the sanctity of life. If Mass attendance drops, then the problem is not with the Church's abortion teaching, but rather it is with the faith of the Catholics not in attendance. The Catholic Church does not base its teachings on public opinion polls. Actually - kind of a refreshing concept.

writer

Posted by Phil Border, Escanaba - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 9:57 p.m.

"The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against children, a direct killing of an innocent child, a murder by the mother herself." Mother Teresa

While the Catholic Church is far from perfect, does anyone know of a perfect church. And while not excusing the terrible abuse scandal, that doesn't mean Catholic teaching (or Islam, for that matter) is mistaken on when life begins. Violence begets violence, and abortion is a profoundly violent act.It's not a semantic or rhetorical choice - it's the killing of a human being. And even if one doesn't accept an embryo is human, surely it is a Prospective human being.

Isn't life good? Aren't you glad to be alive?

Stop the Killing

Posted by D D, PGH - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 9:32 p.m.

Whatever criticisms there are of the Catholic Church is one thing. It is another thing altogether to stand idly by and let innocent, defenseless humans beings be killed, for any reason, or to honor those who enable the killing.

religion & power

Posted by water boy, munising - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 5:47 p.m.

One only needs to look back into history to realize if the Catholic Church was given political clout it would, in no time, revert back to it's original roots and become just as controlling as the Taliban.

Double Standard

Posted by Chuck McDowell, Kewadin - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 5:23 p.m.

What - the bishops fail to explain to the Catholics is that when Obama was running for President, Cardinal Egan, Archbishop of New York, invited Obama to speak at the Al Smith Dinner in New York city. What say now - Bishops?

Barb, you said it well...

Posted by Not a catholic, Hancock - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 4:54 p.m.

Barb, you said it perfectly. There are much bigger problems in the world than who gives a speech. And you are right when you say there needs to be a line drawn between politics and religion. There was supposed to be one all along wasn't there?

The whole argument is tiring,and the Catholic Church needs to learn to move on with their old world thinking and realize that if they want to keep their attendance up, they are going to have to see reality and the fact that everything does not have to be on such a narrow course. Maybe you don't have to believe in abortion, but to condemn the leader of the free world (the world that, by the way, gives you the right to CHOOSE to be catholic to begin with) because he doesn't see eye to eye with you and your teachings is just narrow minded thinking. Attendance certainly isn't going to go up that way!

The whole thing almost sounds like a little kid having a temper tantrum, doesn't it? The kid can't get things his way, so he will be mad at you and basically condemn every move you make. Make life completely miserable for everyone involved. Pretty sad coming from grown people.....

Pro-life?

Posted by D F, MQT - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 3:48 p.m.

It is hard for me to imagine that an institution such as the Catholic church is opposed to abortion. Or as stated, "defense of human life". Has religion not been the number one source of death and dying for the last 2000 years? How many people have been killed in the name of religion? Was it not the Catholic church who hunted down and killed the non believers hundreds of years ago? There are several other religions that have sprouted up over the last 2000 years because of the religious persecution the Catholic church was responsible for. And now all these cases of child molestation have surfaced. What is done to correct this? Why, the accused priest is transferred to a different facility.

Yes, The Right to Choose

Posted by Concerned Mother, Marquette - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 3:47 p.m.

J C asked "So why let someone kill a living baby in the womb?"

Answer: Fear. Fear of ridicule, judgement, denunciation whether in public or private.

That fear is a foundational cause of suicides as well, then the Church says the recently suicided are going to hell - as if their anguished lives weren't dammed enough without that final candle on the cake.

Then you read the Bible (I took the time to read it and study it) and it says call no man on earth your Father, don't repeat prayers like the pagans (rosary), Jesus is the only way and don't get involved with a Queen of Heaven because it already made God mad (Mary).

I don't agree a fetus is called a baby until born, and I'm not an abortion supporter.

All I know is, the very people who are most apporsed to abortion would be the first ones to get one in the event of pregnancy. Why? They have the most to fear!

What ever happened to the Golden Rule?
Maybe the Church should make a rosary out of those words!

start learning facts

Posted by citizen u, ishpeming - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 3:43 p.m.

Ultra conservatives should start learning some facts. Take for instance embryonic stem cells research is done on embryos that are going to be put in the trash from fertilily clinics. I believe its unnatural for a woman who cannot have children the "natural way" to go to a fertility clinic. If their God doesn't want them to have children they should just accept that. So I would much rather see embryos that would normally be thrown in the garbage be used for science.
Gays and lesbians should have every right to be married. They are in committed relationships and work, and pay taxes just like the heterosexuals. The word "Marriage" does not appear any where in the bible coming from the lips of God. That is a man made word put into the context of one man and one woman. We must all remember that this book was written 100's of years after Jesus supposedly walked the earth, so the majority of the words pass from lips to lips, becoming misconstrued and fit to the writers wishes.
these so called miracles that are happening today are mostly due to man's perserverance with science. And individuals stamina.
I am not opposed at all to hearing all peoples view points about a subject. After all we are adults (maybe) here. Getting mad and abusive towards others because we don't see eye to eye is what brings all the wars. Ultra conservatives need to stop being so closed minded, stop wearing blinders and quit having tunnel vision. Hearing all people's opinions and then saying "Ok I see your point" doesn't mean you agree. Students should have every opportunity to hear many views, and because our president takes a stance on one issue doesn't make him condemned to hell. But ofcourse staunch catholics will send anyone to hell!

Go Irish!

Posted by Barb B, Delta - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 2:21 p.m.

Even though I am a Michigan Wolverine fan....reading these comments by the Bishop really makes me glad we have universities like Notre Dame - institutions where the phrase higher learning really does still mean something. I commend the university for seeing beyond the abortion debate and inviting Obama as a speaker. Can we PLEASE get a separation between religion and politics? There must be other issues the Catholic church can spend their time on than second guessing ND's choice of commencement speaker. World hunger? Homeless people? Sexual abuse by priests?Notre Dame is a great university, just upholding their long tradition of inviting new presidents. Obama's support of one issue is no reason to change that tradition. The students will be thrilled to get the chance to hear him. Does the phrase listening to all sides mean anything at all to Bishop Sample? Focus on the important issues...and let Notre Dame alone...GO IRISH!

Judge not...

Posted by UP Person, Mqt, MI - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 2:16 p.m.

...lest ye be judged. Yet there are many, including the group of bishops passing judgement upon our President and his ideals. Many of those on this board who are critical better check their glass houses before they start throwing stones. I'm more than certain that there are those here who have borne false witness, fornicated, used the Lord's name in vain or even committed adultery. Why is the bishop so afraid of Notre Dame students hearing a speech from someone whose doctrine doesn't match his 100%?

Catholics/Conservatives Share Same Views!

Posted by U.P. Conservative, Manistique - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 2:04 p.m.

BHO supports abortion on demand, government funding of abortion, government funding of stem cell research that kills human embryos, legally granting same-sex unions all the rights and privileges of marriage. The Catholic Church holds that abortion and same-sex unions are immoral and must be opposed, this view is shared also by us conservatives. Furthermore, BHO has made subsidizing international abortion groups one of his first priorities, even as abortion numbers here at home are on the decline. BHO must know how unpopular the funding of international abortions is, if he is trying so hard to hide it. Therefore welcome to “change” but don’t expect any “hope” for the unborn child, as it appears those who advocate abortion as an option, believe they have the moral authority to play God. In all dimensions of the University, Notre Dame pursues its objectives through the formation of an authentic human community graced by the Spirit of Christ, this cannot be promoted by having BHO whom represents the most anti-life actions of any American president speak at 'Our Lady of Paris' Notre Dame a highly regarded learning establishment.

The right to Choose?

Posted by J C, Marquette - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:38 p.m.

We send people to jail for driving drunk, robbery and murder. Those were choices they made. Would you like to give someone the right to kill a 3 year old child? No....there are laws against that also. So why let someone kill a living baby in the womb?

Oh no

Posted by D F, MQT - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:17 p.m.

Not the Freedom of Choice Act! Why should women have a choice when it comes to their bodies? And who gave them the right to vote? I'm telling you, this country is falling apart. And all the accusations of child molestation in the catholic church, why are we worried about that when so many women are running around making their own decisions. We must stop this now!

Leaders

Posted by lefty culvert, calumet - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:15 p.m.

I believe if we could raise Joseph Stalin from the dead, and give him dictator powers, he would be the one to rule this country.
Of course, you wouldn't want Uncle Joe at your commencement. But he would have an answer for all the lawyers in this country.

Obamas is like... Jesus' Helper

Posted by Concerned Mother, Marquette - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:07 p.m.


Jesus healed an awful lot of people in the last two millenia, stopping short of restoring amputees, or weeding out pedophile priests.

I guess Jesus is SO far away it took 500 years to recognize Galileo wasn't a heretic.

Now WHAT IF, what if stem cell research is the prayer answered?

This is why I left the Catholic Church...

Posted by Jim Mattson, eastern up - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:04 p.m.

I was married in the Catholic Church and started going again in the 90's. But the churches decision to push their ideals onto its parish is astounding. We had a preist actually ask the parish to NOT let the children come on Sunday mornings as it was too disruptive. I no longer consider myself a practicing catholic. The Catholic Church NEEDS to be out of the political arena and get back to its flock. The church is about fellowship, the bible and god, not agendas. Why is the membership count so low ?? Ask anyone who recently left the church .

america-the home of the free (maybe)

Posted by citizen u, ishpeming - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 12:20 p.m.

I believe that this is another decision that was "hurry up and make a decision" without giving too much thought to the whole idea.
I can see how a "Catholic School" can have who ever they want as a speaker and as long as they don't accept federal monies they should be entitled to ask whom ever they want to speak.
I find it so hard to believe that when a person says they are "pro-choice" the catholics label the person as pro abortion. I believe that people have the right to make their own choices after all the individual is the one to stand in front of God on judgement day, and not the church as a whole. "Pro choice" to me is that the individual makes the choice, faces the consequences, and faces God on an individual basis.
In America we do need opposition on all fronts.And this is why there are so many different religions and churches, because you can shop until you find the one that suits your life style and beliefs. After all Jesus supposedly walked the line with down troddened persons including prostitutes and he pretty much forgave every person that asked for forgiveness. After all we will all find out in the end!

choice

Posted by jeremy butler, mqt - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 12:04 p.m.

if you cant trust a woman with a choice how can you trust her with a child my god people grow up

Are they serious???

Posted by Tom Cruise, UP - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 12:01 p.m.

With all the sexual assault investigations going on, they want to condemn a commencement speech???

Answer this: what other entity could ruin the lives of so many children and still be in business? One child molested is too many.

Its great to stand on your principles, but its absurd to choose principles out of priority order.

In agreement

Posted by Darren Muljo, Marquette - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 11:47 a.m.

Thanks for standing up for your convictions Bishop Sample. Much can be learned and gained by all Catholics living up to the church doctrine and teachings.

As if the catholics clergy have anything to be proud of with the behaviors they have been engaged in..

Posted by t lc, ishpeming - Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 11:40 a.m.

Before throwing stones you should look in your own backyard. I was raised Roman Catholic and over the last few years,I have been ashamed to say I am. Jesus is not as judgemental as these priest.

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